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2017.07.19
Vol.20
Days of Heated Argument with the Unforgettable Stuart Smith~A Cross-Cultural Encounter with Familiar 19th-Century Industrial Heritage~

World Heritage Consultant

Mr. Barry Gamble
Mr. Barry Gamble

Daily Conference Calls to Narrow the Scope of Component Properties Even After Returning to the UK

――It was very unfortunate that Stuart Smith died suddenly in 2014 without hearing the good news of the property’s inscription onto the UNESCO World Heritage list. For Mr. Smith, the Sites of Japan’s Meiji Industrial Revolution would have been the last major project that he was involved in, and I wondered if you could tell us about how you remember him.

Mr. Gamble: There is so much that I will always remember about Stuart, even in connection with this project. One thing I can never forget is that during the early stages of this project, we spent a lot of time discussing what to select from among the many potential candidate heritage components, and what to leave out. There were so many candidates to become component parts, and many difficult challenges in choosing what kind of story to tell. We ended up conducting a lot of fieldwork and engaging in a lot of heated professional debates.

We kept these extremely intellectual discussions going even finishing our survey in Japan and going back to the UK. Every weekend, we would get together to discuss things. Not only that, but every time he got a delivery of historical materials or technical materials about the sites from Japan, Stuart would call me almost every night to provide me with this valuable information. From what I can see, Stuart stuck doggedly to this extensive survey and substantiation work up until we had finished the endorsement letter for UNESCO, and I feel that he made a major contribution to enriching the substance and refining the accuracy of its content.

――What do you think was the most heated part of your discussions?

Mr. Gamble: I guess it was our discussions about which properties to include. Stuart had his own preferences, and the same trend is probably true of me and others on the expert committee, so that was a big hurdle for us and let to some heated debates. However, since our role in the end was to get the property inscribed onto the UNESCO World Heritage list, we kept having these tough discussions to select properties that would ultimately satisfy UNESCO criteria, debating and giving advice about which would have to be excluded.

――This rigorous selection process ultimately proved successful in accomplishing the World Heritage inscription, but what were your own initial impressions of these properties? Frankly, even though you are an expert, I can’t imagine that you would have had a very deep familiarity with or understanding of Far East Asia’s Industrial Revolutionary Heritage.

Mr. Gamble: You might think it odd, but my first impression of these properties was that wasn’t surprised by them in the least. Rather, they seemed incredibly familiar. This is because the heritage in question is related to technologies and plants brought over from Europe, including Germany and my own home country of the UK. In other words, it was very Western-style kind of industrial heritage, so it was quite familiar to me as a specialist. Yet while I was not surprised at the presence of Western technology itself, I couldn’t contain my amazement at how it had been incorporated into Japan’s traditional culture and architecture. In particular, I found the components dating to the end of the feudal era, at the initial stages of industrialization, to be deeply interesting. The Japanese people of those times, without a scrap of prior knowledge or experience, had attempted to directly adopt Western technology through repeated trial and error. I was keenly interested in this.

Another exciting challenge for me was adding still-active “working heritage” sites owned by major companies as component parts. I feel that this may be the most noteworthy and valuable aspect of this World Heritage registration.

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